Host Jeremy Cowan places his ft up because the Trending Tech podcast is taken over by ChatGPT. It’s all about Belief as Deepika Chauhan, chief product officer at DigiCert, confronts the digital safety challenges dealing with us all, and Jim Morrish, chief analysis officer at Transforma Insights, shares the within scoop on quickly rising cyber defence alternatives and revenues. Plus, discover out what Taylor Swift and Queen Elizabeth II have in frequent.
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Jeremy Cowan: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to Trending Tech podcast quantity 36 on Digital Belief & Safety and simply to see what we will belief in our inbox and in our ears nowadays. I turned to ChatGPT and gave it this command. ‘Write a lighthearted 90 seconds introduction for the Trending Tech podcast, sponsored by IoT-Now.com, VanillaPlus.com, and TheEE.ai with visitors Deepika Chauhan of DigiCert, and Jim Morrish of Transforma Insights’, and no kidding, 15 seconds later I had this:.
“Welcome to the Trending Tech Podcast, the present that’s assured to make you are feeling smarter about expertise than your mother and father. I’m your host, ChatGPT, and I’m right here to convey you the most recent and best on the earth of tech, sponsored by [00:01:00] iot-now.com, vanillaplus.com, and theee.ai. Immediately now we have two particular visitors becoming a member of us.
“First up, now we have Deepika Chauhan, the Chief Product Officer at DigiCert. She’s right here to speak in regards to the newest in digital safety and the right way to preserve your on-line presence protected from all these pesky hackers. And becoming a member of her is Jim Morrish, the Chief Analysis Officer at Transforma Insights. He’s right here to present us the within scoop on the most recent tech developments, together with every thing from AI to IoT, and every thing in between.”
Okay, the humour is sweet and light-weight. Perhaps the syntax might be improved, however let’s be sincere, it’s not unhealthy. Not unhealthy in any respect, particularly as I by no means even advised ChatGPT what the subject was. Though I’d question the job titles, this is able to’ve taken me much more than 15 seconds to place collectively. [00:02:00] Frankly, I’d nonetheless be swigging my espresso.
So let’s rewind and begin. Hello, and welcome to the actual begin of Episode 36 of the Trending Tech podcast. It’s the one on digital belief and takeover by ChatGPT. My title’s Jeremy Cowan and I’m co-founder of the telecoms and expertise websites already talked about twice. Thanks for becoming a member of our rising world band of listeners.
As you heard, in the present day we’re joined by Deepika Chauhan, Chief Product Officer of DigiCert, a world supplier of Digital Belief.
Deepika: Very good to be right here as properly. Excited to have the conversations on such an attention-grabbing matter.
Jeremy Cowan: Certainly. And sure, you’ll have had a spooky perception that we’re additionally joined right here by Jim Morrish, co-founder of the analyst and consultancy agency, Transforma Insights.
Jim is a component co-host in the present day. In truth, he’ll be taking up from me very quickly as I’m stepping out of the tech scene. [00:03:00] However we additionally need to hear his tech experience, so welcome Jim.
Jim: Thanks Jeremy. It’s nice to be right here.
Jeremy Cowan: Good to have you ever again once more. And thanks for everybody becoming a member of our, typically severe, typically lighthearted have a look at digital transformation for enterprises.
Now, earlier than we get caught into digital belief, let’s take a fast have a look at some severe tech information tales our consultants have noticed. And later we’ll have our regular tongue-in-cheek chat within the closing part referred to as What The Tech, the place we discover latest tech information tales that amazed or amused us. Jim, I’ll come to you first if I’ll.
What’s the intense tech information story that you simply discovered for us?
Jim: Yeah. Thanks Jeremy. So the factor that popped up and hit my radar, significantly serious about this podcast was a narrative round Orange Cyber Protection. (https://newsroom.orange.com/orangecyberdefense-newrecruitingseason//?lang=en) And so they’ve, they’re recruiting 800 folks in Europe in 2023. Final [00:04:00] 12 months they recruited 777.
At the moment they’ve received about 3000 workers. And that simply underlines the dimensions, I consider the assets that are being devoted to safety. And there’s a couple of different information factors that set me considering. I discovered a couple of different information factors. So, Ericcson or their CradlePoint subsidiary acquired Ericom in April 23.
QPT worth added infrastructure made an acquisition, Hewlett Packard Enterprise, Ok Ok R, you understand, all throughout the final six months or so. And it actually underlines to me the emphasis that’s gonna be positioned on technology-based scalable options as a result of all people appears to be searching out useful resource and there’s a restricted useful resource pool and so they’re resourcing to buying capabilities.
So I feel something that is available in that’s technology-based and scalable goes to be fairly beneficial in that context.
Jeremy Cowan: I feel you’re proper. And speaking about worth. Taking a look at that story, I used to be struck that Orange’s cyber protection revenues have elevated fivefold over the previous eight years. That’s big. However maybe it shouldn’t be shocking. My intestine intuition is [00:05:00] it’s gonna be rather more within the subsequent eight years.
Jim: I’d count on that it’s gonna develop in a short time. I used to be barely shocked on the fivefold. I’m undecided if that represents what the precise trade has accomplished or whether or not they’ve been capturing market share, however actually it underlines for me that it’s one thing that’s in all probability way more of an industrial idea, you understand, the industrialization of safety and the applying of that to enterprises, then probably many would possibly essentially think about.
I feel it’s thought to be one thing which is usually thought to be one thing which is nearly infinitely scalable and merchandise primarily based and, and it’s not. There’s actual assets, an nearly industrial course of being utilized to it.
Jeremy Cowan: Yeah. Deepika, any ideas on this?
Deepika: Yeah, I feel it’s very attention-grabbing what Jim is mentioning as a result of in our buyer dialog we’re seeing one thing comparable that with the fast complexity of the IT infrastructure throughout all of the verticals.
What we’re seeing is the complexity of IT infrastructure isn’t just restricted to caring for the servers, the laptops, the [00:06:00] customers, it’s all of the totally different gadgets that exists as properly. And so the headache for the IT groups has elevated. It’s not simply the gadgets, it’s additionally the software program. The software program that we use h as so many various libraries and we don’t know the place they’re coming from. They’re coming from third events. Have they been signed? Are they safe? So an increasing number of we’re seeing the digital belief is changing into a strategic crucial for firms throughout the globe, throughout the verticals. And it’s not shocking because of this that many of those different firms are rising the revenues from cyber-defence.
Jeremy Cowan: I feel that’s a captivating perception on it. From the belief angle. Deepika, which severe tech information story caught your consideration.
Deepika: Yeah.
So very attention-grabbing. By some means related to what Jim was speaking about. The fast industrialisation of the digital belief features. I additionally suppose there’s a fast [00:07:00] consumerisation of the safety features. (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/open-garage-doors-anywhere-in-the-world-by-exploiting-this-smart-device/ )
The story that caught my consideration was it appeared not too long ago, a few weeks again. That open storage doorways wherever on the earth might be exploited by a wise system. So basically now we have the story of, there’s a common controller, and the controller can be utilized to open the storage doorways by the customers in addition to a few of the residence safety.
However what researchers discovered was these controllers have been utilizing common passwords, and utilizing the common passwords, they have been additionally broadcasting the unencrypted e-mail addresses in addition to the system ID and the primary title and the preliminary. So on account of that, the researchers have been capable of finding out by trying on the firmware, what that common password was, as a result of all of the controllers have been utilizing that, and so they have been capable of finding out the details about different customers and so they have been [00:08:00] in a position to truly utilizing any system, to open storage doorways in addition to alarm programs, disable and allow them for anybody. So this was a serious hack and this sort of speaks how important it’s to embed safety on all these gadgets as a result of one thing so fundamental that we use day in and day trip.
Each time I’m utilizing my storage door openers, I’m gonna be involved about it. I believed that was very attention-grabbing.
Jeremy Cowan: Yeah, this was on arstechnica.com, wasn’t it? It’s breathtaking that that sort of lack of consideration to safety is being perpetuated. Jim, I used to be shocked, however maybe I shouldn’t be.
Was it a shock to you?
Jim: Nicely, sure and no. So me of the weather of which have occurred earlier than. I imply the usual gadgets and the borrowing of codes to open issues. I imply, that’s been demonstrated. That may occur with automobiles. The common passwords, these have been deployed into cameras, [00:09:00] safety cameras of all issues.
And the sharing of e-mail addresses, these sort of issues has been demonstrated that there are good residence options, which try this sort of factor. However that basically is a full home. I imply, that’s a clear sweep of the entire actually main issues, which have emerged.
There, there was one factor, as you described that Deepika, there’s one little component of safety that it didn’t fairly ping, I feel, which is a couple of years in the past there was a narrative of a, of a doll, a youngsters’s doll, which is sort of a child monitor.
And, and in addition meant to have the ability to converse with the kid. And that might be hacked by way of Bluetooth by any person standing close by. So when you dwell in an condo or your baby’s bed room is close to a pavement or one thing, any person outdoors may pop up their Bluetooth telephone, connect with the doll and begin speaking to your baby now.
And so they didn’t handle to do something fairly that unhealthy. However in any other case, I feel that’s just about a clear sweep. Yeah. So, so properly accomplished
Deepika: and Jim. This additionally jogs my memory of the story a couple of years again in Vegas Darkish Hint truly discovered that via sensors within the fish tank in a Vegas [00:10:00] on line casino they have been in a position to enter and get the excessive curler database mainly.
I imply, once more, it was the identical sort of component , that one thing so small and what anybody would think about insignificant truly is used as a technique to enter the infrastructure and the community to attach, accumulate actually crucial info. So that you see parts of this repeat time and again and once more and hopefully we’re studying, however now we have lengthy technique to go.
Jim: Yeah. I imagine that on line casino in query, I feel that they had an strategy the place they, they regarded every thing that was on the community as reliable. So all that individual must do is locate a technique of getting onto the community and it was the and it was the fish tank monitoring.
Yeah. However I suppose that brings us onto discussions round certifying issues and ensuring that, you understand, issues are sending the proper of knowledge to the proper of vacation spot.
Jeremy Cowan: That’s a pleasant hyperlink. If anybody within the meantime needs to take a look at the tales that they’re listening to in the present day for themselves, we’re going to put the [00:11:00] hyperlinks to all of the information tales within the transcript so you may comply with them there.
Yeah, as Jim rightly says, this takes us to the beating coronary heart of in the present day’s podcast on Digital Belief. Jim over to you, first:
Jim: Sure undoubtedly. So Deepika, slightly about DigitCert. For those who don’t thoughts. So I gathered DigitCert as an organization was established out of frustration, I feel, when the founders found that they couldn’t make easy digital transactions.
And these have been irritating and time consuming. It, it sort of appears like there’s a narrative there. So what’s it that occurred and what did the founders do about it?
Deepika: Yeah, so one thing quite simple. It occurred nearly 20 years again. It was established SSL certificates have been on the core of constructing positive the digital transactions have been safe.
So the founders have been creating an internet transaction engine of an internet site and so they have been attempting to get a safe certificates, SSL certificates, and it was very difficult for them to get the certificates, to deploy the [00:12:00] certificates. And they also determined, you understand, it’s a quite common drawback. Why don’t we simply begin offering this as a service to the shoppers? So on the very core, it was being buyer obsessed about this quite common drawback that a variety of different builders have been dealing with after which making it out there. And that was a genesis of DigiCert the place it began with offering a very simple to make use of service, for purchasers.
And you understand, I like this story, as a result of This is likely one of the problem for safety as properly, as a result of the safety must have nice consumer expertise. The primary purpose why many individuals bypass safety is due to the consumer expertise. In case your consumer expertise is unhealthy, both we don’t do it, we ignore it, or it turns into an afterthought.
So it’s all the time a steadiness between consumer expertise in addition to putting in safety. And that was a genesis of[00:13:00] the DigiCert journey.
Jeremy Cowan: Can we quick ahead to in the present day’s web of issues the place IoT can help something from good residence options to enterprise digital transformation? I imply, clearly all options have to be safe and dependable. What are the important thing issues confronted in securing IoT Transactions?
Deepika: I’d say the important thing drawback in the present day is that safety is an afterthought within the IoT gadgets.
There’s so many various iot gadgets, from medical gadgets to shopper gadgets to industrial gadgets, to automotive. And each system they’ve totally different maturity cycle relying on the vertical they’re in. However I’d nonetheless say for many of them safety is and afterthought. As, for example, simply six months again, FDA printed a analysis And so they regarded on the medical gadgets within the hospitals, and so they discovered greater than 53% of the [00:14:00] gadgets had vulnerabilities.
And not too long ago because of this, FDA has issued a tenet, however that simply speaks to when you begin researching, you discover how so many gadgets we use day in and day trip, whether or not in context of our work or each day lives, which have vulnerabilities. So it’s an afterthought. I’d say within the 5 years now we have come a good distance and we have gotten extra considerate, particularly by way of the shopper dialog legislators are having on this phase.
However now we have a protracted technique to go as properly. The essential authentication, encryption, and non-repudiation. And let me simply communicate to it. When a tool is speaking to a tool, how are you aware it’s truly that system and never one thing else? Or how are you aware it’s truly that consumer? When a software program is getting put in on the system, how are you aware there’s not malware or these gadgets are so lengthy lived?
How are you aware the vulnerabilities haven’t been found [00:15:00] and the software program has not been patched ? And the way are you aware the system to system communication is encrypted, and so the essential three legs of this two, the authentication, the encryption, and non-repudiation, that’s why could be very crucial. And it’s not there in a lot of the gadgets.
Jim: Thanks. So I perceive that you simply’re providing a brand new digital belief answer to unify certification authority-agnostic certificates administration and public key infrastructure, or PKI, because it’s identified companies. How does this assist deal with these challenges?
Deepika: Yeah, so for the, IT what we see is.
As you talked about, Jim earlier in your story, the complexity of the IT infrastructure with the fast digitisation has exploded. You’ve new floor assault space due to extra software program in addition to extra gadgets. You’ve distant employees now with a number of gadgets and a number of deployment strategies. Consequently, the [00:16:00] variety of certificates inside any enterprise has exploded..
And people certificates come from a lot of certificates authorities. So what the shoppers are actually searching for is. How do I get a deal with on my total panorama? As a result of through the years they’ve confronted nearly yearly, nearly each different firm, no matter vertical or geo, has confronted outages. And these outages can go north of $10 million on a median.
Even not too long ago, Elon Musk truly had a tweet about one of many outages associated to certificates expiration. And now we have seen this in Google. We’ve seen Shopify, even a few of the finest firms have suffered it. So having an answer which is permitting the shopper to find your entire panorama of certificates, nobody there’s expiring, have notification and automatic in order that.
Then don’t must [00:17:00] take care of certificates associated outages as a result of it’s an enormous disruption within the service. That’s the worth by way of digital belief.
Jeremy Cowan: Deepika what are the subsequent safety and belief hurdles that have to be overcome in IoT if we will get previous those you’ve already outlined. And when can the IoT sector count on to see some actual options right here?
Deepika: Yeah, so what’s thrilling is that. We’re seeing modifications within the mindset in several industries throughout the IoT as a result of IOT is just not one world.
There are numerous microsystems inside that, relying on the verticals. So not too long ago the Matter requirements, MA TTER from Connectivity Normal Alliance has come out the place the buyer gadgets in residence, you understand, they’re Matter licensed. And what they’re establishing is what’s a safe approach for these gadgets to speak to one another.
So in case your storage controller was truly matter compliant, [00:18:00] we wouldn’t be having the problem that we’re speaking about now. In order that’s speaking about safety in throughout the residence. And it’s an incredible instance. The place Lots of the distributors inside that ecosystem related and created a consortium. It’s like, that is one thing that now we have to resolve for the gadgets to take off as a result of they might see the challenges.
Now the second factor is someday you’re seeing authorities rules, so simply final week FDA got here out with new rules in regards to the medical gadgets and what the guidances for the medical gadgets to put in the safety associated finest practices after they’re deploying it throughout the hospital community, whether or not it’s the insulin pumps or the affected person screens.
And automotive is an identical story. So that you’re seeing an increasing number of, whether or not it’s authorities regulated or trade teams combining themselves to create these safety requirements. There’s a chat of web of medical issues, similar to web of [00:19:00] shopper issues, and you’ve got the widespread adoption going down slowly.
Jeremy Cowan: Taking a look at one thing that we talked about earlier, Deepika, we have been referencing ChatGPT. Now, I do know this isn’t straight in your space, however simply taking a look at it from a excessive stage, there was some attention-grabbing analysis not too long ago from NordVPN that confirmed a 625% rise from January and February this 12 months in comparison with final 12 months in ChatGPT hacking posts on darkish net boards. How can customers keep cyber safe when coping with chat bots?
Deepika: That’s an incredible query. And look, all of us are attempting to make use of ChatGPT within the work in addition to residence atmosphere due to the productiveness benefits that it offers. However ChatGPT can be getting smarter primarily based on the data it’s gleaning. And the way can we make sure that. it’s not a case of [00:20:00] rubbish in, rubbish out by way of the info which is fed to make it smarter is definitely the appropriate information. It’s not the pretend information. And so there’s a, there’s a fundamental parts of I feel the authentication and the non-repudiation, that are nonetheless crucial.
If ChatGPT, for instance, is protecting the web to seek out out the data, how does it know which one is the appropriate info and which one is just not the appropriate info? And I feel over there. There are a variety of different, the truth is, media organisation, which have shaped individually from the AI, the Content material Authenticity Initiative.
You realize, and if there’s a notion of what content material is genuine, then I feel ChatGPT has further ranges to supply that info in order that they know what’s so-called pretend content material versus what’s genuine content material and provides that info to the customers. That’s only one dimension, there are lots of [00:21:00] dimensions, after all.
Jeremy Cowan: Understood. Jim, we’re already seeing examples of, you understand, failures in Bard and ChatGPT bringing out or sharing info that’s factually incorrect. Is there something that you’d add to what Deepika has already stated on this specific facet of using AI?
Jim: Sure, there’s truly. And what I’d do is I’d reframe the query and picture it in 5 or 10 years time as a result of these items will get simpler.
And proper now ChatGPT appears fairly superior and bard’s fairly superior as properly, however that’s gonna be commonplace inside a 12 months or two. After which extra refined issues are gonna be round in 5 and 10 years and, and to make use of. To place a optimistic spin on it. The expertise will likely be democratized.
And, and there’s a corollary to that, which is able to imply that anyone can get their arms on it. At that time. It’s gonna be loads simpler to pay money for one thing which has the capabilities that’s represented by ChatGPT. The GPT 4 model in the present day, [00:22:00] the extra refined model. Yeah, it’ll be a lot simpler for, for any person of nefarious intents to pay money for that sort of functionality.
And at that time it’s very straightforward to deploy a mannequin which isn’t essentially accountable or managed by an organization that’s as accountable as OpenAI. To, as an illustration have interaction in fraud or fraudulent conversations with folks and try to get folks half with cash to make investments in imaginary shares or one thing like that.
So, I feel in 5 or 10 years time, the there’s gonna be a, a extremely fairly important drawback related to this simply because it’s been democratized and it’s now not centered on, on a couple of fashions, that are managed in a reasonably accountable approach. And at that time we we’re gonna must be actually fairly cautious.
It’s going to be rather more akin to the best way that we’d take care of emails. You realize, I feel all people who’s listening to this is able to be extraordinarily cautious about clicking on hyperlink that involves them in an e-mail from an unknown location. Or when you do suppose it’s an actual hyperlink, you would possibly truly go [00:23:00] by way of Google to an internet site and search and discover the identical info by way of a protected route.
And naturally, and possibly Deepika has a view on this however it could be that these AI fashions or chat fashions, truly must be licensed. And that’s interrogated earlier than your browser means that you can get right into a dialog with
Deepika: Yeah, it’s just like, it’s the maturing mannequin within the second.
The AI is within the early in fancy, in a, in a approach, and it’s, it’s gonna mature. So similar to with the net, you understand, slowly you began utilizing the net after which how did you safe transactions and safety practices have been embedded. The identical factor is gonna occur and authenticating the totally different businesses on the, on the core of it, the authentication will movement into all these areas.
Who’s it that’s offering the data? Is the data safe? And that’s the place a few of the fundamental tenets and rules that we’ve used for certificates authorities and PKI will likely be related.
Jeremy Cowan: That’s actually thought upsetting. Thanks each. Okay. Let’s relax for a second and see What The Tech has amazed or amused you latterly.
Jim, I’m gonna ask you to go first. What have you ever seen?
Jim: So, so an entertaining story, which is kind of carefully associated to this sort of safety theme we’ve been speaking about. Was an article advised that, that one of the often used passwords in 2022. Was Taylor Swift. I ought to say right here at this level that, that none of my passwords embrace the phrases Taylor or Swift, however plainly many on the market do.
However, nevertheless it did strike me spinning again to the start or earlier on this dialog that isn’t as unhealthy because the the default passwords programmed into carriage doorways as a result of that’s on the market as public info. At the very least any person has to guess. Taylor Swift. So it’s an enchancment on that.
Jeremy Cowan: Yeah, final 12 months appeared to be one of many well-liked ones was Queen Elizabeth and so was unhealthy bunny, Jennifer Lopez, Ben Affleck and Elon Musk. I feel Bennifer as Ben Affleck and JLo [00:25:00] appear to be tagged on social are in all probability a bit too 2022. I’m prepared to guess Charles and Camilla are usually not trending. Deepika, any ideas on this? What can we study from this?
Deepika: Nicely, you understand, that is, that is very attention-grabbing.
I imply, I feel that’s why the zero belief insurance policies have gotten an increasing number of frequent as a result of the password by itself is restricted to the creativeness of individuals. Some individuals are taking a look at their very own algorithms and creating their very own algorithms. Some individuals are utilizing the password administration programs, however I feel that is the place the zero belief.
initiatives are gonna develop into very, very crucial as a result of we will’t… it appears we aren’t mature sufficient to handle our passwords.
Jeremy Cowan: No certainly.
Jim: It, it’s the truth is being regulated in some markets. Definitely in Australia there are rules the place you, you aren’t allowed to make use of default passwords and customers should configure them.
So, so there are steps being taken in that path.
Jeremy Cowan: Yeah. It’s about time. Deepika. [00:26:00] What within the information has made you smile or frown?
Deepika: Nicely one thing that I discovered is mu was not too long ago, there’s a information in BBC. Would you divulge heart’s contents to a chat bot therapist? So all of us are used to asking Alexa questions, foolish questions however actually having a companion as this text spoke about and sharing a few of the deepest ideas was a step too removed from the place we’re in the present day.
Jeremy Cowan: Hmm.
It’s actually one thing that I can see big advantages for with individuals who face the problem of autism. Clearly, being ready to satisfy outsiders in the actual world was one of many strategies within the article. And I hadn’t even thought of that after I began studying. Or it might be one thing offering help for the lonely that was a BBC on-line report was it Deepika?
Deepika: It was a BBC report. Sure!
Jeremy Cowan: Okay, properly once more, we’ll stick the [00:27:00] hyperlink within the information to that. https://www.bbc.com/information/business-65110680 Okay. For those who wanna comply with up on any of those tales, you simply go to the transcript and do tell us on LinkedIn what you suppose. You’ll find me to your feedback at Jeremy Cowan in LinkedIn. That’s C o w a n.
So earlier than we go, let me say an enormous thanks first to Jim Morrish of Transforma Insights. It’s all the time an incredible pleasure to have your experience. Jim.
Jim: Thanks, Jeremy. It’s been nice to hitch you and nice to have a dialog with Deepika as properly.
Jeremy Cowan: And the way can folks attain you for extra info, Jim?
Jim: Nicely one of the best ways to succeed in me can be to e-mail inquiries@transformainsights.com. So I’ll get emails to that deal with. Yeah, stay up for listening to from anyone with with attention-grabbing questions or feedback on the matters of in the present day or wider IoT and digital transformation.
Jeremy Cowan: Certainly.
And big thanks additionally to Deepika Chauhan of DigiCert.
Thanks for sharing your insights, Deepika, and thanks a lot for [00:28:00] your endurance within the time it’s taken us to get up to now. I’m delighted to have you ever on podcast in the present day.
Deepika: Thanks, Jeremy. It’s been nice to be right here. And thanks Jim and Jeremy for an incredible dialog.
Jeremy Cowan: And the way can listeners contact you Deepika?
Deepika: Listeners can attain DigiCert at digicert.com in addition to via LinkedIn or Twitter handles.
Jeremy Cowan: That’s good. Okay, and thanks too to our quickly rising viewers all over the world. Don’t neglect, you may subscribe to the Trending Tech podcast wherever you discovered us in the present day. Till the subsequent time, preserve protected, preserve checking vanillaplus.com. iot-now.com, and theee.ai, the place you’ll discover extra tech information plus movies, high stage interviews, occasion evaluations, and a lot extra. And be part of us once more quickly for one more Trending Tech podcast, taking a look at Enterprise Digital Transformations. Bye for now.
